I killed like 5 thursars on the ptr with my veela. whenever they hit lifesteel i just ran away and waited. even I was winning I would just run out their timer. i didnt even bow cheese them, but it would have been so easy to do so.
No Alvarin nerf or any balance changes on PTR? Are we serious?
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This game is so cooked. We had 6 non alvarins getting harassed by two skeletal sheevra mages for hours last night. I switched my human to a Veela and proceeded to kill them with 90/120 dex on repeat by holding my clades and quicken until they didn’t have theirs. The non-Veelas being there only made it harder cause the dex mages would hide behind them lol.
I don’t even really want to play anymore
I don’t even really want to play anymore
Ikr pvp wise alvarins are umbeatable im just saying some noobs tons of them tbh might roll thursars just to pve easier which means % of playrate isnt AS bad. And then they get destroyed in pvp and quit. Ill be dead honest man I saw 45-45 % Veela Thursars and then 10% human/oghmir on ptr. I think more people roll Alv on launch hopefully so they nerf rhem asap.
Facts mate. This is why you need to stop coping about your build tho (if this is who I think it is maybe Im wrong if it doesnt ring a bell instantly its not about you)
It's genuinely gotten to skill level/power creep of flat stats and obvious Alvarin issues that there is 0 win con IN AN AVERAGE ALVARIN VS NON ALVARIN ENCOUNTER which used to always be true vs higher end Alvarins but now irs just anyone can pick them and kite to infinity and reset and never die.
And its very simple stuff btw... if you have a char with more speed more stam and smaller hitbox and better ranged damage, and enough HP to not instadie (literally instadie btw we are talking 1-3 hits from both meele and ranged) they can NEVER LOSE in a game with no CC and gap closers its not possible in ANY game you make. Its not even a mo2 issue like some unique rhing if you maje a character with that set of traits it can NEVER LOSE to something else.
When it was Thursar meta Thursars gaslit Alvarins rhat they cant just run away mid difht saying ill stickybaxk yiu and many beleuved that. Now Alvarins realized they genuinely kite Alvaruns let alone Thursars lmao...
I used a 15 dex 280 hp build for the longest time, I was tankier rhan an average Thursar/Oghmir/Human mire so than they were rhan Alvarins and I was also able to stickyback and finish them off better than they are able to finish off Alvarin
In shorr a 25 dex 320 stam slowest char in the game is having easier time with 90 dex footies than those 90 dex footies are witg 120 dex Alvarins. I went from 25 to 90 dex myself and thwre is no difference in fighting Alvarins LOL
Unsure if you're talking about me but...funnily enough I was running pets on my thursar to help kill alvarins but when I switched to alvarin the pets just got in the way of my own character killing other alvarins lol. I realized that all my builds were built with alvarins and alvarins only in mind...
Non-alvarin vs. Alvarin, You literally get like 40-60 damage of stickyback no matter what weapon you use depending mostly on character height/weapon length/attack speed determining whether or not you get a second hit, which a second hit being "braced" anyway. My 25 dex oghmir with a spear used to get more sticky hits than my 225 thursar with a dkal. To be honest I'm not sure if my 90 dex spear ogh even gets an extra hit over my 25 dex ogh lol.
Counter reduce goinh from 40 to 80 and then also nerfing trading power of other races while buffing Alvarin trading power was a tipping point in pretty much everyone going "yeah why not just play an Alvarin" before there were some arguments against them and truly in zvz Oghmirs and Thursars were better or at least more often played, there used to be a time when you could genuinely trade through counter reduce with an Alvarin and win, now?
They basiclaly have same combat power without resetting as Oghmirs if pipes are excluded due zo speed stam etc. I bet if they made like a Tekken style no reset dueling tournament Alvatin would be as good of a pick as an oghmit and better than a Human and just barely worse than a Thursar.
An akh bonded Thursar with pre nerfed adamant trinkets and mastery that used to scale with adamant, would outtrade a pre buffed Alvarin at like a Im not kidding bro 2-1 ratio in same gear we are talking everything zaken into account, now? A Veela spamming abilities very often just outtrades a Thursar spamming them.
It used to be such an uphill battle AND PEOPLE STILL RAN MOSTLY ALVARIN IN SMALL SCALE now they have 230 hp tiny hitbox 80 phy 450-500 speed basically endless stamina. And they do more dmg through high tier armors than Thursars on a short cooldown long duration.
It probabl wasnt you then mate. sorry for that. I just saw someone with similar name say his human build isnt underpowered meanwhile hes a top tier player who invested 300k in his trinkets and cant go out solo elae he gets demolished but "my super endgame build made specifically just to fight Alvarins and my very high tier skill let me not lose every single fight therefore the game is balanced" logic has to go.
Respect yourself. If your kit is 300k gold and you run 100g kits and YOU MADE YOUR BUILD TO COUNTER THE META WHICH EVERYONE PLAYS and you are a good smart player you better do good lol, you would be winning every single fight even outnumbered if the game was balanced properly.
But thats the issue you gotta make up your build of every Alvarin counter in the book to even have a 30% chance.
"I have 300k trinkets a terror bird in steel and a spear and MC and ward and 80 psyche and I have dh puri 7.1 pot and hot food 110 mastery and now I can finally go fight a Veela clade 18 in reptile" shouldnt be your mindset, you should be a demigod at that point in comparison to that Veela not a 50 50 match lol.
Thats not me but I have run pretty much every build under the sun including both thursar and human with tbirds and once I finally bit the bullet and switched to alvarin it was like a gut punch when the tbird was a hindrance more than a tool to fight. It just got in the way of me finishing the target I could kill anyway. Might as well drop them when losing a bird is pretty much losing a second kit in armor mats.
If weak spot and armor pierce wasn’t bull shit I could run scale armor on my bulging mage with a t shield and probably be fine. It’s literally one clade that you have to base your entire build around that also happens to be the most commonly played one.
Mounted for example: You can have 100 balance and ahk bond and it isn’t a thursar that will dismount you (I’ve eaten thursar tmessing hammer on my ogh MM and stayed mounted) but an alvarin with a inscisium hammer and runners high up lol
Facts. Alvarins in higher tier armor do WAY more dmg than Thursars, that includes high blunt def (70) vs hammers, NOW does a Thursar with warcries and messing/tmessing maul which Veelas cant even use do more damage? Yes. But thats literally just that, and thats only coz Alvarins cant even use mauls. Also Thursar warcries are rare because they are short PLUS Thursars cant force themselves onto ppl so they get kited. I do use those warcries tho, and you do very very absurd dmg during those 15 seconds. But Alvarins overlal, are unmatched as a package. I mean slash pierce weapons especially with armor pierce are crazy because you can be in steel or tungsteel and then they just do like 30% more dmg than Thursars with the same eweapon.