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So having been a part of the group that was there for Otto and later part of the leadership in game that was trying to hold it together there were ingame deals not multigame deals (as no other game was legitimately being played by WSX at that point anyway, and even if it was we werent playing...

I mean Ternix was scummy and never one I was close too but the absent leadership of the "vets" who still limited us in game was the real cause.

Having been among the leadership when it fell. It is a guild that because of inactive top heavy leadership that did not play the game restricted what could or could not be done in game as I have seen Rhodri attest. In fact Rhodri and I had our differences but the fact we never felt supported was...